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Old 04/24/2020, 08:43 PM   #26
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proposing to the HOA and getting city permits + getting quotes from subcontractors: excavators, concrete walls, concrete floors...

Wow super excited!


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Old 04/26/2020, 08:23 AM   #27
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Wow, subscribed. Please do this!!

If you ever need an extra pair of hands Iím very close to you in McKinney, one block away from Frisco and a couple of miles from Prosper.


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Old 04/26/2020, 03:59 PM   #28
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This is going to be a super cool build. I'm definitely routing for you! If I ever make it to Dallas when this is built I'll have to take some footage for my wee little youtube channel xD

As far as potential predation goes you can look into nets that they use for ponds. Plenty of hobbyists will use nets meant for leaves to keep out hawks / herons / ospreys. They report the hawks will bounce right off of the net.

I work at Aquascape and there are pre-made sizes up to 28' x 30'. There are also bulk options up to 30' x 100' if you want to build some sort of netted enclosure.
https://www.aquascapeinc.com/product...s/pond-netting

I'm not sure what the other pond companies have out there, but that at least can get your creative juices flowing I think.


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Old 04/26/2020, 10:13 PM   #29
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I got the net for my pond it is 16 feet by 8 by feet by 6 feet and got the net on Amazon for $50 i think it has been a year or so


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Old 04/27/2020, 02:41 PM   #30
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Wow, subscribed. Please do this!!

If you ever need an extra pair of hands Iím very close to you in McKinney, one block away from Frisco and a couple of miles from Prosper.
Absolutely! Thank you.


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Old 04/27/2020, 02:43 PM   #31
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Predation isn’t as big of a concern since I have a massive cave region... 1/3 of the tank is dark caves...

But if it does become an issue, I’ll use the nets. I have a pool cover mechanism anyway for hail and rain, so this can piggyback.


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Old 04/27/2020, 04:23 PM   #32
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Iím also in the area if you ever need any help, Iím in Coppell.


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Old 04/28/2020, 12:04 AM   #33
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Thanks Ricky and PM. I will definitely need the help. The glass panes weigh 270lbs each. So even though I'm in good shape, it'll take 5 guys to position them in the concrete.

It's a massive undertaking and will go much faster with help.


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Old 04/28/2020, 12:11 AM   #34
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A key to getting this past my wife is that it can't erode property values which means that it needs to function as a real pool for resale value. So after some deep negotiation, I've made some adjustments that should work.










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Old 04/28/2020, 12:18 AM   #35
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So the idea here is that one pool is the shallow pool for kids to play in safely while the deep pool is intended for adults only.

The shallow pool will be the reef and the deep pool is actually the sump.

The screened enclosure over the shallow pool is actually the reef room with the fuge and surges + other equipment.

The pool equipment shed against the wall actually has the pool pump and raised ATO water tanks + RO, gas heater for the fresh water heating coils, etc...


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Old 04/28/2020, 12:20 AM   #36
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Once I get HOA approval and a couple of realistic bids from contractors, I'll post the detailed structural and plumbing designs. It looks like a human body's inner guts so I'll go through it all to make sure I didn't miss anything.

If you're into construction - I'd like every bit of input to make this thing solid!


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While I wait for feedback from the HOA, I've been consulting with a couple of engineering reefers...

On the topic of waterproofing, I'm settling on a multi-stage solution so that it doesn't require resurfacing... for a decade or two at least.

After the concrete, I'm going with a cementitious waterproofing agent first. That's basically thoroseal + acryl60 which is now called MasterSeal 581 + MasterEmaco A 660 from BASF. The idea is to first turn the porous concrete into a filled concrete:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000BO9U8S
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00KM42F2A

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYon16oW8kA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sea0PrNP-Co

Then I'm going with a 2 part epoxy primer + 2 part epoxy. I'm considering AquaGuard for this:

https://www.aquaguard5000.com/produc...primer-sealer/
https://www.aquaguard5000.com/produc...quaguard-5000/

Then the final consideration is whether to use fiberglass with the epoxy...
I think it's a worthwhile investment in time just to protect against any concrete weaknesses over time. Dallas has a clay soil and is very unfriendly to foundations. The saying is that all concrete pools will eventually crack. So - fiberglass boat inside the concrete boat?
https://www.amazon.com/Nordstrand-Fi.../dp/B01EVYEST4

If anyone has experience doing this or using these products, please let me know what you think.

I'll probably make a small box like this and test the products - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RX5A7cyq0BY


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Old 04/29/2020, 02:04 AM   #38
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Got the first contractor quote to run water and drain to the outside for the ATO and sinks... $2250... basically, we're going through the outside wall to a bathroom on the other side and connecting to the plumbing there.

Seems high but I have no idea what it should be.


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The quote to install the 100A sub panel next to the equipment came in at $1200. He's running it through the attic, so that seems steep. If anyone knows what these things should run, please educate me.


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So far, the estimates are coming in over $30,000 for the pool construction alone and that's as a DIY.

More scrubbing to be done.


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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0JMA-xPVfY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NmFuA60GH00

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M27xQSwd8ak

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ZGk87wNvIQ

a little inspiration... little brown in there with direct sunlight


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Where is this one??


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I think it's in Eilat in Israel by the Red Sea.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eilat


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I think it's in Eilat in Israel by the Red Sea.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eilat

Whoever shot that video was more interested in a couple fish and the sand. He sucked! I was waiting for him to show to top of the entire lagoon. Lol


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If I get another chance to get to Israel, I’ll make a trip there.


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The quote to install the 100A sub panel next to the equipment came in at $1200. He's running it through the attic, so that seems steep. If anyone knows what these things should run, please educate me.
Yes, it's called getting a second quote, and a third, and a fourth.

That lesson is free

But in all seriousness the cost of a project can differ greatly based on where it's done as permit fees alone could chomp into that price. I mean here I think it would cost somewhere in the neighborhood of $250 just for the permit. But there are sites out there that can give you a range of pricing in your area.


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yup. I have 3 other electricians coming to bid


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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1KIbKRKLHM4

more inspiration... sort of

I'm modifying the design again based on the cost estimates... I need to control the maintenance costs and having to do any size water changes is a disaster. Need a no-WC architecture and I'm thinking of a deep mud floor to reduce the actual salt water volume and simplify the design.


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more inspiration... sort of

I'm modifying the design again based on the cost estimates... I need to control the maintenance costs and having to do any size water changes is a disaster. Need a no-WC architecture and I'm thinking of a deep mud floor to reduce the actual salt water volume and simplify the design.

Not considering sand? Just love the look of a sand bottom


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The shallow reef is sand. The deep reef is currently a lot of volume that has little visibility and just creates a cost burden...

At this point, the plan is to use a few tons of calcium gravel... and maybe blow water through it to dislodge detritus.

There’s just a lot of wasted volume...


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