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Old 10/06/2020, 07:57 AM   #6201
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So in QT which meds should be run to prevent this sort of thing ?? Thanks !


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Old 10/06/2020, 11:14 AM   #6202
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Appropriate med early would help. I am very surprised that he was eating with infection going on


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Old 10/06/2020, 11:30 AM   #6203
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Eating like a champ. I thought initially he had gotten bitten by my tusk as he is a super aggressive eater. Regal ate like crazy one day, was in hiding the next (that’s when the damage showed up) and dead the next am.


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Old 10/06/2020, 05:44 PM   #6204
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It's Uronema! Very common with chromis and damsels nowadays. It kills very fast, like the third day. First day looks great, second the side sore appears, third day dead. So, you really need to have the right meds ready on day one. Sorry for your loss.


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Old 10/06/2020, 06:25 PM   #6205
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It's Uronema! Very common with chromis and damsels nowadays. It kills very fast, like the third day. First day looks great, second the side sore appears, third day dead. So, you really need to have the right meds ready on day one. Sorry for your loss.
What meds are those? And can those meds being used in quarantine to keep this from happening or is it something that happened in my tank ?? Thanks for all the help.


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Old 10/06/2020, 06:50 PM   #6206
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For uronema, get Seachem Metroplex and Focus. This gets the medication on outside and inside of the fish, which is needed for uronema. Follow all directions to the letter! The type is very small on the packages, so have a magnifying glass handy.

For prophylactic treatment on first adding fish to QT, I like API General Cure. It has both Metronidazole and Praziquantel in it. Also, over the first week, I gradually lower salinity to hypo salinity levels, to treat for ICK. It's much less dangerous to the fish than copper.

The tricky thing about Uronema is it doesn't require a fish host to survive. It can survive indefinitely on detritus alone, so if you've ever gotten Uronema in your QT, you still have it! You have to bleach sterilize everything wet, after EVERY QT treatment. That goes for your display as well, if the sick fish was in it.

I'm no master of QT. I've been as slack as anyone else. I had to recently up my game in order just to keep some damsels alive. Hope this helps!


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Old 10/06/2020, 06:54 PM   #6207
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For uronema, get Seachem Metroplex and Focus. This gets the medication on outside and inside of the fish, which is needed for uronema. Follow all directions to the letter! The type is very small on the packages, so have a magnifying glass handy.

For prophylactic treatment on first adding fish to QT, I like API General Cure. It has both Metronidazole and Praziquantel in it. Also, over the first week, I gradually lower salinity to hypo salinity levels, to treat for ICK. It's much less dangerous to the fish than copper.

The tricky thing about Uronema is it doesn't require a fish host to survive. It can survive indefinitely on detritus alone, so if you've ever gotten Uronema in your QT, you still have it! You have to bleach sterilize everything wet, after EVERY QT treatment. That goes for your display as well, if the sick fish was in it.

I'm no master of QT. I've been as slack as anyone else. I had to recently up my game in order just to keep some damsels alive. Hope this helps!
Hmmm interesting. Thatís the only fish Iíve had any type of problem with in 3 years. Iíd hate to rip apart my display and sterilize it. Sounds like you canít put anything back in. ie : corals, nems, etc.


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Yeah, the prospect of breaking down a display is a huge bummer. I would think you could dip your corals, etcetera in a coral dip.


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Old 10/06/2020, 07:14 PM   #6209
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Yeah, the prospect of breaking down a display is a huge bummer. I would think you could dip your corals, etcetera in a coral dip.
Iíd need a 55 gallon drum.


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Old 10/07/2020, 11:28 AM   #6210
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Also does it only manifest itself when there is some sort of injury? Or can it pop up randomly at any time ??


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Old 10/07/2020, 12:14 PM   #6211
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My fish that got it looked great on day one - no injuries. It may appear to be random, but you either have it in your tank or not. I don't know if you could get away without disinfecting your system. That's for you to decide. Just remember running the tank fallow won't cure it.

I fear that every point along the chain of custody, from the sea to our tanks, has been infected. You think those businesses can afford to take their systems off line in order to disinfect them? I doubt it, but I'd love to be proven wrong.

And because it's seen as a damsel/chromis problem, the cure costs more than the fish, so there's little incentive to fix the it. They are literally expendable.

In the big picture, I see your Regal Angel death as a (possible) last straw for the biz, which could be a good thing. If expensive fish are now getting infected, the incentive increases to actually do something about it.


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Old 10/07/2020, 06:07 PM   #6212
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Bacterial infections in general mainly affect fish with a compromised immune system or injuries. Like the regal angel. It was new and probably kind of stressed/weakened from shipping, and it succumbed to the infection. I think your other fish will be fine.


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Old 10/07/2020, 06:53 PM   #6213
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Bacterial infections in general mainly affect fish with a compromised immune system or injuries. Like the regal angel. It was new and probably kind of stressed/weakened from shipping, and it succumbed to the infection. I think your other fish will be fine.
Hope so. I havenít seen anything prior or since. Not sure if running a UV sterile room helps mitigate it with healthy fish. Iím due for a bulb change. Probably over due !!


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The tricky thing about Uronema is it doesn't require a fish host to survive. It can survive indefinitely on detritus alone, so if you've ever gotten Uronema in your QT, you still have it! You have to bleach sterilize everything wet, after EVERY QT treatment. That goes for your display as well, if the sick fish was in it.

I'm no master of QT. I've been as slack as anyone else. I had to recently up my game in order just to keep some damsels alive. Hope this helps!
It is highly likely that most reef tanks have Uronema in it. And there is near certainty that you will find Uronema in all coral systems at your local reef store.
It's coming on rocks, corals,... anything wet that isn't a fish.

Uronema is primarily feeding of bacteria. Generally, only if weakened fish have wounds with secondary bacterial infections Uronema may become a problem when it follows the bacteria to feed on them and then also starts feeding on the fish's tissue.


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