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Old 01/14/2009, 01:34 PM   #151
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We are set . He just confirmed with me .
He mentioned something about a Tunze pump 9420.040 . He was going to test but nothing set in stone for the medium model . He is shooting for 800 lph or more . He knows the pump will do 700 lph out the box .

I have no idea shomuchfun about on ur pump retro idea but I love that avatar .
Reminds me of "u stay off that bottle and i'll stay off the throttle ". NOS vs Turbo .


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Old 01/14/2009, 02:37 PM   #152
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You bring up a very valid point about the multiple personalities of the Sicce. But to the best of my knowledge, no one has been able to come up with consitent airflow capability by altering mesh or pinwheels. We know that pinwheels run less air than properly meshed setups, and that the MSX pinwheels have been shown to run a bit more air than the RS ones, but there is a great deal of inconsistency from one mesh job to the next. I only mention that because using the mesh to "tune" the pump to a skimmer body puts a lot of trust and a high expectation on the customer to ensure the product performs as expected.

Out of curiosity, how/where did you get the GPH numbers that accompany the airflow numbers you posted? I'm somewhat surpised that the water throughput increases in a non-linear fashion as the air increases. The numbers you posted would indicate that the Sicce has a better air/water ratio at lower throughput levels. If your GPH/Airflow numbers are accurate that holds some hope that further restriction possibly with a smaller diameter pinwheel/meshwheel could reduce throughput and increase the air/water ratio, making the pump better suited to smaller skimmers.

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I got these numbers with the good ol bucket and stopwatch
I dont see how these #'s are non-linear? Am I thinking this wrong?
The ratio seems to be nearly the same. Fwiw theres a bunch of users thats can get a consistent airflow numbers from mesh. Heck I can look at a mesh wheel and nearly guess what the air is going to be it's all about diameter and nothing else it's not rocket science.


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Old 01/14/2009, 06:23 PM   #153
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Divide the average of your airflow numbers by your posted GPH. If the air/water ratio was linear the answer would be the same.

I know there are individuals that can repeat their mesh jobs, but accross the hobby as a whole, numbers from a mesh'd skimmer done by different people vary. If I were a mfg, it'd be too big of a variable for me to hang the reputation of my company on. Nothing against mesh, it's just that if a company is doing R&D to deliver a product that delivers in a repeatable fashion. The subjective nature of mesh installation can't give the repeatability required.

If people buy a skimmer knowing that the performance is contingent upon the quality of a mesh job, that's fine. But I think a lot of people buy based upon mfg claims, and pics/experiences posted online. If they can't duplicate the results observed, they take it to mean they have a bad skimmer; when in fact, they may just have a bad mesh job.

I'm not doggin the MSX so don't worry about that. I just feel that if a company is going to charge hundreds to a thousand dollars for a product, it should work in a repeatable fashion. So if you equip the S1 and S2 with pinwheels to get that repeatability, the design becomes a compromise in some application.

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Old 01/14/2009, 10:21 PM   #154
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So Im confused. Are the newer Tunzes that are coming out only going to be tested on the mediums and larges? I ordered a small body I-tech, but am not sure what pump to get. Id like to get the best reasonably priced pump for this unit. If the Tunzes are going to be tested on the small body, Ill wait for the results. IF not is the DAS pump the best currently?

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Old 01/14/2009, 10:59 PM   #155
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So Im confused. Are the newer Tunzes that are coming out only going to be tested on the mediums and larges? I ordered a small body I-tech, but am not sure what pump to get. Id like to get the best reasonably priced pump for this unit. If the Tunzes are going to be tested on the small body, Ill wait for the results. IF not is the DAS pump the best currently?

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The email that I got recommended either the Sedra 3500 or the Aquabee 2000 for the small. Those are the ones that have been tested on it. Since the Tunzes aren't out, they haven't been tested. I was told that they would make great pumps for the skimmer. But if you are looking at the cheapest pump that would run it well the Sedra seems like the best choice. Just go back a few pages to see pics of a Sedra run Small. Looks pretty good to me.


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Old 01/14/2009, 11:27 PM   #156
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we need more pics!


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Old 01/15/2009, 12:30 AM   #157
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I believe that the Tunze 9420 should be on the med or maybe the large but they have a 9410 pump that should be great on the small.


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Old 01/15/2009, 07:35 AM   #158
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So Im confused. Are the newer Tunzes that are coming out only going to be tested on the mediums and larges? I ordered a small body I-tech, but am not sure what pump to get. Id like to get the best reasonably priced pump for this unit. If the Tunzes are going to be tested on the small body, Ill wait for the results. IF not is the DAS pump the best currently?

THanks again!
Best bet for a valid answer would be to email John . The Tunze pumps are just in testing stages now .He did mention using a smaller Tunze for the small . I don't think he has the small on hand to test atm .

The Sedra pump is easier to find than the Aquabee unless u want to wait .


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Old 01/15/2009, 08:37 AM   #159
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I have been following this thread, and I am currently on the wait list to get one of the small cones as well when the next batch is ready. In speaking with John the best tested pump for the small is the Aquabee. The aquabee can be ordered here http://stores.petorama.net/Detail.bok?no=7

From my correspondance with John, the sedra 3500 also works fine but the Aquabee works better "due to the air to water ratios" that each pump produces.

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Old 01/15/2009, 12:32 PM   #160
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I have been following this thread, and I am currently on the wait list to get one of the small cones as well when the next batch is ready. In speaking with John the best tested pump for the small is the Aquabee. The aquabee can be ordered here http://stores.petorama.net/Detail.bok?no=7

From my correspondance with John, the sedra 3500 also works fine but the Aquabee works better "due to the air to water ratios" that each pump produces.

Scott
I remember something like that .The Sedra produced microbubbles in the sump . If the sump had baffles it would not be an issue . So one is looking @ 80.00 Sedra or 129 aquabee . It would seem either is fine as leonel04? post indicated he is pretty happy with his Sedra and small body .


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Old 01/15/2009, 12:42 PM   #161
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I'm going to be running mine with an Aquabee 2000/1 when my skimmer arrives. I'm on the list to receive one on the next shipment, so I'll be sure to post up my results.

I'll be going from a Tunze 9010 (which in all fairness, has been a great skimmer) so I have high hopes for my I-tech small with 2000/1. If the TOTM of any indication though, I don't think I have anything to worry about


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Old 01/15/2009, 08:29 PM   #162
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I might consider a small with the varible output eheim needlewheel skimmer pump.


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Old 01/15/2009, 09:39 PM   #163
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Has anyone heard anything lately on the skimmers? I was told originally that they'd probably be done last week. Then early to mid of this week. I sent an email yesterday inquiring about the status and I haven't heard anything back yet(John's usually pretty quick to answer). I was wondering if anybody on the "small list" has gotten a reply recently? I guess I'm on the "list" since I sent him my shipping info and such. Thanks.


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Old 01/15/2009, 09:47 PM   #164
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Milhouse,

In emailing John this week and getting in line for a small cone, he stated that he hoped to have some skimmers finished by late next week. I think with all the good reviews this skimmer is getting he is overwhelmed with the high demand of orders he has recieved...


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Old 01/16/2009, 10:25 AM   #165
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I spoke with him yesterday and he is overwhelmed. The response is more than he expected. He was originally building for local customers but word got out about the quality and the price.

He said he will have some ready next week. I am in line for a small.


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Old 01/16/2009, 11:09 AM   #166
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You guys know the builder is posting in this thread right? Why not just PM him to find out when he will have them done?


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Old 01/16/2009, 11:53 AM   #167
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You guys know the builder is posting in this thread right? Why not just PM him to find out when he will have them done?
Well...let's see....

If said builder is taking PM's about his "business" and answering them, he's violating our User Agreement and subject to being banned for using RC for commercial purposes.
So maybe we shouldn't encourage that.

I'll leave that as a warning to said builder as well.


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Old 01/16/2009, 12:10 PM   #168
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decided to pm MHurley instead....


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Old 01/16/2009, 12:29 PM   #169
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Just curious as to what the I-tech offers over the SWC and Warner Marine. Thanks


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Old 01/16/2009, 12:36 PM   #170
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None of the SWC or Warren marine cone skimmers would fit in my sump.


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Old 01/17/2009, 02:23 PM   #171
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Saw these pumps . I 'm pretty sure it's the same make .

http://www.saltycritter.com/protein-...n-skimmers.htm


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Old 01/17/2009, 04:00 PM   #172
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I contacted John yesterday and he got back to me this morning. I am very impressive with how much time he spent answering my question for a single potential user. That puts me one more step toward buying either a medium or large from him.

In the mean time, can some of you guys tell me how quiet is your skimmer? Any more pictures of it operating?


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Old 01/17/2009, 04:07 PM   #173
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how much does these things cost?


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Old 01/17/2009, 09:54 PM   #174
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josh, email the owner, he responds quickly and will give you detailed info on the skimmers. ichthyman@ichthythings.com


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Old 01/17/2009, 10:10 PM   #175
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Just curious as to what the I-tech offers over the SWC and Warner Marine. Thanks
They will keep a good amount of money in your pocket and they are made in the good ol' USA.


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