Reef Central Online Community
Blue Zoo Aquatics

Home Forum Here you can view your subscribed threads, work with private messages and edit your profile and preferences View New Posts View Today's Posts

Find other members Frequently Asked Questions Search Reefkeeping ...an online magazine for marine aquarists Support our sponsors and mention Reef Central

Go Back   Reef Central Online Community > General Interest Forums > Reef Discussion
Register Blogs FAQ Calendar Mark Forums Read

Notices

User Tag List

Reply
Thread Tools
Old 10/17/2014, 01:24 PM   #1
JohnLeoKnight
Registered Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: Michigan
Posts: 64
Question Worlds smallest reef tank help

My buddy and me are competing to create a 1/4th gallon reef tank.but I'm not sure on how I'm going to heat that small of an aquarium, it's thin acrylic and is about 4 inches tall, would a beta heat pad work? Any ideas? I bought a ten gallon heater that's 4.5 in long and it's way to large for the tank


__________________
75g mixed reef, 29g biocube fowlr

Current Tank Info: 55G Reef
JohnLeoKnight is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10/17/2014, 01:25 PM   #2
asudavew
Registered Member
 
asudavew's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: San Angelo, Texas
Posts: 1,010
I'm not sure. But how bout a face off thread between you and your buddy?
With pics, of course


__________________
Be nice.

Current Tank Info: 180, 125, 75
asudavew is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10/17/2014, 01:29 PM   #3
JohnLeoKnight
Registered Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: Michigan
Posts: 64
Quote:
Originally Posted by asudavew View Post
I'm not sure. But how bout a face off thread between you and your buddy?
With pics, of course
I can certainly post mine, I'll see if I can get him to send me his progression picks too, can't start till I figure out the heating situation tho lol


__________________
75g mixed reef, 29g biocube fowlr

Current Tank Info: 55G Reef
JohnLeoKnight is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10/17/2014, 01:29 PM   #4
toothybugs
In Memoriam
 
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: The smallest county in Illinois
Posts: 1,986
Small incadescent reptile heater a foot away is my vote. Check the temperature with a thermometer and confirm.

A tank that small will be hard to keep at a stable temp, regardless of what your choice is. But this is interesting as I have a 1L water bottle on my desk and just looked at it a little differently.


toothybugs is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10/17/2014, 01:33 PM   #5
JohnLeoKnight
Registered Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: Michigan
Posts: 64
Quote:
Originally Posted by toothybugs View Post
Small incadescent reptile heater a foot away is my vote. Check the temperature with a thermometer and confirm.

A tank that small will be hard to keep at a stable temp, regardless of what your choice is. But this is interesting as I have a 1L water bottle on my desk and just looked at it a little differently.
The ten gallon heater has a auto shut off, but it's just so big. A reptile heater might work, maybe. But I feel likes it would be very inconsistent


__________________
75g mixed reef, 29g biocube fowlr

Current Tank Info: 55G Reef
JohnLeoKnight is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10/17/2014, 01:35 PM   #6
toothybugs
In Memoriam
 
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: The smallest county in Illinois
Posts: 1,986
Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnLeoKnight View Post
The ten gallon heater has a auto shut off, but it's just so big. A reptile heater might work, maybe. But I feel likes it would be very inconsistent
I used to keep boas and pythons and found the heating elements are very consistent. The problem you would have would be air currents - momentary would be fine, but if the room cools considerably for more than a few minutes your tank will suffer. I would suggest a small heating pad but I don't trust pads on plastic tanks. Glass, different story.

Or, design your system knowing the hazards/ limitations and opt for livestock that are more tolerant of 69-72F temps long-term.


toothybugs is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10/17/2014, 01:38 PM   #7
JohnLeoKnight
Registered Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: Michigan
Posts: 64
Quote:
Originally Posted by toothybugs View Post
I used to keep boas and pythons and found the heating elements are very consistent. The problem you would have would be air currents - momentary would be fine, but if the room cools considerably for more than a few minutes your tank will suffer. I would suggest a small heating pad but I don't trust pads on plastic tanks. Glass, different story.

Or, design your system knowing the hazards/ limitations and opt for livestock that are more tolerant of 69-72F temps long-term.
What about if I had a thick substrate and put a beta heater inside the crushed coral, like half an inch on top and half an inch under? It says that they keep it 5-10 degrees warmer and you can put them under your sand


__________________
75g mixed reef, 29g biocube fowlr

Current Tank Info: 55G Reef
JohnLeoKnight is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10/17/2014, 01:46 PM   #8
toothybugs
In Memoriam
 
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: The smallest county in Illinois
Posts: 1,986
I have no experience putting a pad in the tank. If it's listed as safe to do so, try it out. One thing you could do is putting a few dabs of silicone on the pad, spread it out with a posicle stick or something, and glue a bit of sand to it to help disguise it. Put rocks right on top and eliminate some of the "thick substrate" taking up your water volume.


toothybugs is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10/17/2014, 01:49 PM   #9
JohnLeoKnight
Registered Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: Michigan
Posts: 64
Quote:
Originally Posted by toothybugs View Post
I have no experience putting a pad in the tank. If it's listed as safe to do so, try it out. One thing you could do is putting a few dabs of silicone on the pad, spread it out with a posicle stick or something, and glue a bit of sand to it to help disguise it. Put rocks right on top and eliminate some of the "thick substrate" taking up your water volume.
That doesn't sound like a bad idea, hmm. There 7.5 watts rated for 2-5gallons, might heat it up to much...hmm


__________________
75g mixed reef, 29g biocube fowlr

Current Tank Info: 55G Reef
JohnLeoKnight is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10/17/2014, 01:50 PM   #10
cody6766
Super Best Friends!
 
cody6766's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: OKC, OK
Posts: 3,748
If you keep your house around 75, or a little warmer, you'll have no trouble without a heater. I don't run one in my little tanks, but we keep the house at 75 pretty much year round, plus or minus a couple of degrees


__________________
"The moral is the chosen, not the forced; the understood, not the obeyed. The moral is the rational, and reason accepts no commandments." - John Galt

Current Tank Info: Cadlights 60G Arisan II mixed reef with 2x MP40s and 24" ATI
cody6766 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10/17/2014, 02:03 PM   #11
JohnLeoKnight
Registered Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: Michigan
Posts: 64
http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00AE2...576130&sr=8-1#

Anyone with any thoughts about this? I think this would be perfect, has an auto shut off


__________________
75g mixed reef, 29g biocube fowlr

Current Tank Info: 55G Reef
JohnLeoKnight is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10/17/2014, 02:49 PM   #12
codyreed29
Registered Member
 
codyreed29's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2013
Posts: 892
I was in a sub gallon reef contest a few yearz back. See if you can find some heat tape put it on the bottom of the tank. Another option hydor slim heater kinda large as well though for 2.5 gallons under.


__________________
27 Rimless cube DIY lights and sump
mag 5 cad lights pls 100 jeabo rw4 jeabo dp4
codyreed29 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10/17/2014, 02:59 PM   #13
ChevyAddiction
Registered Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Delta
Posts: 89
Might just need to keep the ambient temp in the room around 75-77!!


ChevyAddiction is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10/17/2014, 03:19 PM   #14
JohnLeoKnight
Registered Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: Michigan
Posts: 64
Quote:
Originally Posted by codyreed29 View Post
I was in a sub gallon reef contest a few yearz back. See if you can find some heat tape put it on the bottom of the tank. Another option hydor slim heater kinda large as well though for 2.5 gallons under.
Where can I find one for for under 2.5 gallons


__________________
75g mixed reef, 29g biocube fowlr

Current Tank Info: 55G Reef
JohnLeoKnight is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10/17/2014, 03:53 PM   #15
AdamD76
Registered Member
 
AdamD76's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: NH
Posts: 74
[


AdamD76 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10/17/2014, 04:05 PM   #16
AdamD76
Registered Member
 
AdamD76's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: NH
Posts: 74
I found this on amazon.

  • Submersible heater for aquariums up to 1.5 gallons



AdamD76 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10/17/2014, 04:09 PM   #17
slief
RC Sponsor

 
slief's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Posts: 14,141
I think I would use an Apex to control the heat! Then you could use a heat pad or a lamp it wouldn't matter. You could also control an ATO which that thing will definitely need too.


__________________
Director Customer Support Royal Exclusiv USA
For All Royal Exclusiv & Bubble King questions please refer to our Sponsor forum: http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/fo...play.php?f=745

Current Tank Info: 480G display mixed reef, 90G sump, 90G refugium, 60G display refugium. Check out my build thread: http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1783476
slief is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10/17/2014, 04:20 PM   #18
JohnLeoKnight
Registered Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: Michigan
Posts: 64
Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamD76 View Post
[
Mine will be a reef tho lol


__________________
75g mixed reef, 29g biocube fowlr

Current Tank Info: 55G Reef
JohnLeoKnight is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10/17/2014, 04:21 PM   #19
JohnLeoKnight
Registered Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: Michigan
Posts: 64
Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamD76 View Post
I found this on amazon.

  • Submersible heater for aquariums up to 1.5 gallons
But no auto shut off:/


__________________
75g mixed reef, 29g biocube fowlr

Current Tank Info: 55G Reef
JohnLeoKnight is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10/17/2014, 04:24 PM   #20
JohnLeoKnight
Registered Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: Michigan
Posts: 64
Quote:
Originally Posted by slief View Post
I think I would use an Apex to control the heat! Then you could use a heat pad or a lamp it wouldn't matter. You could also control an ATO which that thing will definitely need too.
What's an ATO?:x


__________________
75g mixed reef, 29g biocube fowlr

Current Tank Info: 55G Reef
JohnLeoKnight is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10/17/2014, 04:52 PM   #21
JohnLeoKnight
Registered Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: Michigan
Posts: 64
http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00748...pi=SY200_QL40#

Found my solution, aquarium heat controller module and a 10w beta bowl heater. Pics and a build thread soon to come


__________________
75g mixed reef, 29g biocube fowlr

Current Tank Info: 55G Reef
JohnLeoKnight is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10/17/2014, 05:15 PM   #22
wetWolger
Registered Member
 
wetWolger's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Colorado
Posts: 1,955
Quote:
Originally Posted by AdamD76 View Post
[
I don't think I could do a tank where the surface tension at the top/corners adds a significant amount of volume to the tank.


__________________
cheers,
jent d-_-b

Current Tank Info: 66gal = 32x24x20
wetWolger is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10/17/2014, 05:33 PM   #23
AdamD76
Registered Member
 
AdamD76's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2014
Location: NH
Posts: 74
It holds a full 2 tablespoons!


AdamD76 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10/17/2014, 08:47 PM   #24
codyreed29
Registered Member
 
codyreed29's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2013
Posts: 892
I would suggest having the tank covered or sealed one day evap could flucuate the sailinty in 1/4 gallon alot.


__________________
27 Rimless cube DIY lights and sump
mag 5 cad lights pls 100 jeabo rw4 jeabo dp4
codyreed29 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10/17/2014, 09:34 PM   #25
JohnLeoKnight
Registered Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: Michigan
Posts: 64
Quote:
Originally Posted by codyreed29 View Post
I would suggest having the tank covered or sealed one day evap could flucuate the sailinty in 1/4 gallon alot.
That's a good point, didn't think about that


__________________
75g mixed reef, 29g biocube fowlr

Current Tank Info: 55G Reef
JohnLeoKnight is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
nano reef tank, worlds smallest

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -6. The time now is 06:25 PM.


TapaTalk Enabled

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2021, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Powered by Searchlight © 2021 Axivo Inc.
Use of this web site is subject to the terms and conditions described in the user agreement.
Reef CentralTM Reef Central, LLC. Copyright 1999-2014
User Alert System provided by Advanced User Tagging v3.3.0 (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2021 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.