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Old 01/24/2020, 01:58 PM   #276
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Your vermetid problem is the worst I've seen...

I don't even really notice mine anymore so I don't worry about them. Occasionally, a coral will encrust over it so ill notice the irregular growth.
Not to crush your eggs int the basket..... But at the beginning my tank was like you said, and then there was a boom...out of control


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I wish a Reef safe cure could be found here, ive searched all over the WWW nada... im getting concerned, the vermetids i introduced from frags or live rock are slowly over taking my rocks both old & new & now on my corals undersides, and its accelerating......I can see the white baby snails at night crawling about but can't think of anything that might want to eat them? The patience required to keep these out has to be legendary in a QT, i can't imagine how one would restart a new tank & not eventually get them again if adding coral frags or any live rocks unless you QT for 2 yrs. im not that patient & its not a Public Aquarium, i didn't even see any until way over a yr. into my setup and i don't remember ever seeing anything on any frags or plugs after dipping them, i looked closely with a magnifying glass. These snails suck............Oddly they were never mentioned much on line nearly as much as other pests are. Mostly presented as watch them carefully or its a natural part of a well cycled tank, sigh.


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Old 01/26/2020, 12:58 PM   #278
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Not to crush your eggs int the basket..... But at the beginning my tank was like you said, and then there was a boom...out of control

Ive had them in my tank for probably 5 years or so. Ive restarted once in there and was unsuccessful in not carrying them over to my new tank, but its beven setup for over a year now and the population has stabilized. There are different species, some seem to be much more invasive. I probably have a couple hundred, but they dont grow that tall, and they dont seem to like to be densely populated. I also broadcast feed my tank with frozen food, so its definitely not that there isn't food for them to explode.


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Old 01/27/2020, 06:00 AM   #279
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I wish a Reef safe cure could be found here, ive searched all over the WWW nada... im getting concerned, the vermetids i introduced from frags or live rock are slowly over taking my rocks both old & new & now on my corals undersides, and its accelerating......I can see the white baby snails at night crawling about but can't think of anything that might want to eat them? The patience required to keep these out has to be legendary in a QT, i can't imagine how one would restart a new tank & not eventually get them again if adding coral frags or any live rocks unless you QT for 2 yrs. im not that patient & its not a Public Aquarium, i didn't even see any until way over a yr. into my setup and i don't remember ever seeing anything on any frags or plugs after dipping them, i looked closely with a magnifying glass. These snails suck............Oddly they were never mentioned much on line nearly as much as other pests are. Mostly presented as watch them carefully or its a natural part of a well cycled tank, sigh.
The white babies that you see are the colonists snails they are about 1/4 " or smaller and they are good snails , the vermetid don't crawls,


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Old 01/27/2020, 07:33 AM   #280
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I have been dosing zeovit coral snow for about 3 weeks now and am seeing a dramatic impact, time will tell.
+1 to this. I have been using if for close to a year now and see drastic reduction. still have few here and there but defiantly less that I started with.


I started to use it everyday, It will cloud your water and make sure your skimmer is running so it can pull all the junk out of your water.

I do it once a week now because my water is so clean and I have zero algae in my display.


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Old 01/27/2020, 08:54 AM   #281
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The white babies that you see are the colonists snails they are about 1/4 " or smaller and they are good snails , the vermetid don't crawls,
I see, Im seeing 2 species now, one is round with what looks like 2 spirals on the shell & the other looks conical to a point like a Cerith snail with both white & tiny. Im going to start removing all i can catch after lights out hopefully that will help stall them. I have no algae in my tank so snails of any kind not really needed except Certihs. Tried to catch a few..... pretty easy with a feeder bulbs suction so im on a mission till a better solution comes our way.


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Old 01/29/2020, 07:44 PM   #282
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This thread is right on time. I didn't read the whole thing and don't feel the need too.

BLUE SPOT PUFFER (Canthigaster solandri)

I have battled the vermetids for years. Super glue the hole shut, fill hole with kalkwasser, cut them off with pruners, jab a stainless rod filed to a point through them. For every big one I killed there was a handful of small ones waiting to grow big enough to get killed. Feed the tank, stir up the sand , blow off the rocks and they showed up everywhere. Bumble bee snails, copperband, longnose bff, hermits, emeralds, sally light foot, nothing ate them. Hell I gave rock an acid bath, soaked it in bleach and the vermetids were still alive, relentless.
I have a 150g SPS dominate tank that was left neglected and overgrown for quite a while. I broke down a bio cube and through in a Valentini and a Blue Spot puffer. Sure they nip at sps and eat zoas but who cared. There was enough SPS where they could graze for days and no zoanthids in the tank. They definitely pick at sps, eat the edges off monti, bite the corallites off acro. The good thing was they would pick at one coral then move on to another while the other healed up. Like they knew if they ate the whole thing they would cut off there food supply, but could they be that smart?
The last two weeks I have been cleaning the tank, donated most of the coral to a research facility and noticed.
HOLY CRAP, Vermitids are gone!!. well not completely but not plague proportions. there's a few here and there. I saw for the first time today, the blue spot puffer latch on to a vermetid snail and bit through the tube. I actually heard it outside the tank. Pretty cool sight. Still yet to see the Valentini eat one , but will be watching closely.
I have been debating the past couple days whether to take the puffers out, since I am redoing everything and don't have much acro for them to nibble on. I will be the guinea pig and keep them in and see what they eat for sure. I would not recommend putting them in your prized reef tank with you speckled kraks or beach bum , but if you don't care if things get nibbled on it could be worth a shot?
I have seen them eat Montipora, Acropora, and Zoanthids.
I have not seen them eat but can't say they won't eat. Euphyllia(torch, hammer, frog), Stylophora, Cyphastrea, Leptastrea, Leptoseris, Pavona, Chalice, Psammocora., Duncan or Candy Canes or Bubble tip nems, Aiptasia

I will post pics of nibbled on sps frags that are in the tank now and document. Hopefully they survive, if not I and I don;t see another vermetid an LPS tank is fine


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just spend about 2+ hours reading this whole thread....
SO to sum this up, no chemical is reef safe as of yet?! and truthfully no fish or crab/shrimp/snail is known to eat them, and for us reefers to produce same results over and over again.
Honestly as much as i use to hate them, i started to like them. at the beginning when they started to spread they use to annoy my corals, specially lps. But now i see their webs touching corals and corals don't seem to mind it anymore.
So the only problem is; that i got thousands of these snails skeletons all over my 500 gallon 8 feet long tank that i just leaned to accept them as part of the creatures God created. Besides they do some good to filter our tanks anyways.
Also one more good thing "possible" - i think they eat ick also! Just think about it. when ick free swimming around the tank. or when they ready to attach to any hard surface, same surface that is covered by v-snails, dont you guys think they will be caught by v-snails webs? I say it because i know i had ick in my tank. and i have two fish that is most known to have ick. Achilles tang and hippo blue tang. and i know they use to have ick on them, and now i dont see case of ich in my tank for over a year now. And i just sold my powder blue and powder brown tangs just because they All started to be very aggressive towards each other. im saying this because with all that aggression and stress in fish i still didn't see any ick, could it be thanks to these ugly looking vermetid snails? im inclined to think so!



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Old 02/19/2020, 08:56 AM   #286
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Has anyone tried emerald crabs?


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Has anyone tried emerald crabs?
My emerald crabs never showed interest in them. Also, for some reason emerald crabs never last long in my tanks.

Parrot fish, triggers, puffers, and the like will likely eat vermetids with delight but quite likely everything else aside from fish as well...

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My emerald crabs never showed interest in them. Also, for some reason emerald crabs never last long in my tanks.

Parrot fish, triggers, puffers, and the like will likely eat vermetids with delight but quite likely everything else aside from fish as well...

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just spend about 2+ hours reading this whole thread....
SO to sum this up, no chemical is reef safe as of yet?! and truthfully no fish or crab/shrimp/snail is known to eat them, and for us reefers to produce same results over and over again.
Honestly as much as i use to hate them, i started to like them. at the beginning when they started to spread they use to annoy my corals, specially lps. But now i see their webs touching corals and corals don't seem to mind it anymore.
So the only problem is; that i got thousands of these snails skeletons all over my 500 gallon 8 feet long tank that i just leaned to accept them as part of the creatures God created. Besides they do some good to filter our tanks anyways.
Also one more good thing "possible" - i think they eat ick also! Just think about it. when ick free swimming around the tank. or when they ready to attach to any hard surface, same surface that is covered by v-snails, dont you guys think they will be caught by v-snails webs? I say it because i know i had ick in my tank. and i have two fish that is most known to have ick. Achilles tang and hippo blue tang. and i know they use to have ick on them, and now i dont see case of ich in my tank for over a year now. And i just sold my powder blue and powder brown tangs just because they All started to be very aggressive towards each other. im saying this because with all that aggression and stress in fish i still didn't see any ick, could it be thanks to these ugly looking vermetid snails? im inclined to think so!
Well No! They are a plague
Even if they are God's creatures,
Like malaria, measles , chickenpox,and so on.
I did cook my rocks nothing is alive after that kind of bath, I did post few pictures of the infestation of the snails


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Now, in a dedicated system these guys could actually do good. I mean, they are reef-building organisms after all. In the Mediterranean these snails, feather duster worms, and coralline algae are the primary organisms to build reefs and create life rock. Given how fast they can grow even under suboptimal conditions could make them a prime choice to create tank grown life rock with great porosity, natural shape, and a very low dry weight.
Of course you would have to sterilize the so created rocks and then revive them with actually desirable organisms in a vermetid free system.

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When I put my rocks in an acid bath it killed them all. Used my rock for 4-5 months while my tank was being built. They can come in on frags, corals, rock, heck it seems as if they can just magically appear!

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Yes. Looks like magic ��


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Two weeks ago I noticed several of the large kind on a freshly imported maricultured tennis-ball-sized Acropora colony. There were at least 2 huge ones on the front of the base, possibly more on the whole base. I think this is among the primary ways they come into the hobby (never had actually got them with live rock in the past).
If the stores do not kill them right away the snails will spawn and that way they infest the store's coral system and then the frag plugs... I've seen babies and juveniles on frags.
Unfortunately, if the larva had settled just recently and its tube isn't large enough to be spotted, they can easily slip by even if you check for them. That's one of the reasons why I generally prefer to have fresh-cut frags without plug or remove the frag if possible.


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I've been looking at a clown trigger... but in a 225SPS tank, a clown trigger is kinda like herpes, once you get it you have it for life.
It's more like fighting the plague with cholera - one is as bad as the other.


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This thread is right on time. I didn't read the whole thing and don't feel the need too.

BLUE SPOT PUFFER (Canthigaster solandri)

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That fish may not be the ideal way of fighting them in a tank with corals, but it is certainly a way to clear rocks of these pests in a separate tank. Plus I like puffers.


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I'll reiterate that bumble bee snails ARE effective but seemingly only against the small variety of vermetid. The large ones... I chop them down with fragging tools. Fish will eat them once you chop them off the rocks (wrasses, tangs, TRIGGERS, PUFFERS!).

Side note, I was going to move a rock in my lagoon and cut sliced by a large vermetid I didn't see behind the rock. Just like a scalpel. I've got a half-moon shaped incision on the end of my ring finger now. The vermetid will be trigger food this afternoon. :0)


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I had a pretty healthy population of them until I emergency-housed a purple tang for a few weeks. Rascal ate them all. I can't say that's a tang thing, and that fish had some dietary issues: I was dosing his food; but he did seem to thrive on the tank's wildlife.


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I'll reiterate that bumble bee snails ARE effective but seemingly only against the small variety of vermetid. The large ones... I chop them down with fragging tools. Fish will eat them once you chop them off the rocks (wrasses, tangs, TRIGGERS, PUFFERS!).
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If Bumblebee snails eat the small ones they likely also go after the babies of the large which is already great news.
I'm currently working on sourcing the snails that eat the large vermetids. They should actually be not too hard to find in the tropical regions of the Indian and Pacific oceans...

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I had a pretty healthy population of them until I emergency-housed a purple tang for a few weeks. Rascal ate them all. I can't say that's a tang thing, and that fish had some dietary issues: I was dosing his food; but he did seem to thrive on the tank's wildlife.
How did the tang bite through the hard tubes these pests build? Did he break those tubes down or did he wait until they stuck their heads out?


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I had a pretty healthy population of them until I emergency-housed a purple tang for a few weeks. Rascal ate them all. I can't say that's a tang thing, and that fish had some dietary issues: I was dosing his food; but he did seem to thrive on the tank's wildlife.
Sk8r, not doubting your experience with the Purple Tang, but I have one in my 120, been there almost 2 years, and he's never touched any that I have.
Big or small. He pays no nevermind to them even when their feeding threads are extended.


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